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Another group of techniques that you'll see quite often in Aikido is
tanto dori. This is the group of techniques that deals with how to take
a knife away from a partner. So a tanto, being the smallest weapon that
we use, also creates a fair amount of danger because your partner's
going to be very close with that weapon.
So a lot of the techniques involved in tanto dori tend to be a little more aggressive in order to completely diffuse the situation. So if we start with a tanto. Again, the very basic initial starting point for a lot of these attacks is
going to be ski. So again we're looking at a punch or a stab directly
to the stomach. Alright.
And again, as in any Aikido technique, the most important thing for me is to get offline and away from the initial attack. We've seen korogashi before, or wrist-twist without the weapon, and this can be directly applied to tanto tori. The way that this would differ a little bit from open-hand techniques is because my partner has a knife. As the strike comes in I can use that weapon both to influence
his movement, and I also need to be aware that I want to keep the weapon
away from my partner. I'm not going to sit down to create the pin in
this situation. I want to stay standing and remain with the weapon.
Another variation we see a lot, ijiki mai, or another one of the elbow
techniques and this is specifically designed to make sure that your
partner's weapon hand is immobilized. So this is a point where you want
to apply subtle and constant pressure. Try not to break the arm but you
want to apply the pressure until your partner needs to drop the weapon and then you can get rid of your partner. Again, from the other side. Again,
control the weapon, open the space up directly underneath against the
elbow, take your wrist, and squeeze. Alright.
You also see a fair amount of chokes, and immobilizations from this point. Lift. Before we went under the elbow, this time we're going to continue all the way around, and wrap the neck up. In order to remove the knife we're going to step
back and drop on the closest knee, and apply pressure to the elbow
against my knee that's up until your partner drops the knife. Alright.
One other komichi mai technique that you'll see quite often. To the side, all
the way around, and take the Gi from the other side, and separate.
Again, down the closest knee, pressure on the elbow. So one more time. So tanto tori.
These are just some of the most common techniques you'll
see against a knife and how to remove it from your partner, or several
others, which generally pertain to open-hand techniques. But these are
some basic beginning points on tanto tori.
You started the statement correctly: to take a knife away from your partner. But: nobody in the world attacks like that with a knife in the street (except for a partner in the dojo). Why would anyone teach or try to learn this?
I'm sorry, but there's really no substitute for actual training at the dojo... I could recommend reading Morihiro Saito's books, I do that, but it's only supplemental. At least try going to a seminar. Learn steps and turns before going, tho.
hello my name is Paul Owens I do self defense class that's in the Flint Burton area in Michigan here is a video of some of our techniques hope you enjoy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGDBJlhCrzM&t=4s
In real life the aggressor with the knife will slaughter you. The moment you block his attack (if you are able to at all), he will pull his arm back and stab you again. While there is no defense to guarantee a 100% success against the knife user, there are sure better ways to defend yourself.
I used to train with Takeguchi Sensei at the Capital Aikikai, and one time when we were working on Tanto dori, I tried doing exactly that. The difference was that I ended up on my back with Sensei holding the tanto so quickly that I can't even recall how he did it.
Aikido Journal had an interesting video on the limitation of kotegaeshi with a highly skilled knife attacker: http://aikidojournal.com/2016/09/06/knife-defenses-death-by-disarm/
Hypothetically, in the historical context of Daito-ryu/battle field scenarios, are these the kind of attacks that would pierce body armor? The above ukemi appears to be’ yes’ and are perhaps the roots of technique. However in a modern scenario, would ukemi need to extend so much ki in their attack when the benefits of a tanto are lethal speed? I’m guessing the Fililpino attacks in the link would be limited by Japanese armour if applied . I’m not a martial artist but simply an observer.
It's fine but many people forgot that they must practice in a dojo. It's interesting to see how this training is all focused on disarming, in relation to the defensive rules and code of Aikido Iwama Ryu. To all the beginners: please, read "the heart of Aikido" by Morihei Ueshiba, the founder of Aikido, then shape the purposes through Shintoism which is the only way to defeat the skeptical demons of the western side ;)
@armin dino suljic yes it does and the fact that the uke flips over is due to the fact he falls down in order not to break his wrist , that kind of fall is called '' ukemi'' and the ''uke'' ( the one who recieves the technique) has to perform ukemi so that he doesn't break his limbs that's why the guy in the video falls like that , on someone who doesn't know how to do ukemi that technique will just break the wrist of the opponent.
Are you serious, Dojomania? You post a video for the public, but no one has the right to criticise it, or suggest a better way of doing things? If your techniques work, and if you really want to help people to protect themselves, then why would criticism bother you?
would also like to say that this is not an instructional video...ya can't watch this and all of a sudden neutralize a knife attack with kotegaeshi.There are so many myriad essential points to learn and put into practice in moving your body, knowing which muscles/joints to lock on Uke, how to tell uke's momentum, tension in the body, timing,feeling the flow of Ki, here nage has accomplished success by years of practice. Aikido is beautiful, seriously effective, and also requires a LOT more practice than most other martial arts. Go practice with NY Aikikai!
@Dexter Paira Stop advertising your dojo. I don't want to get into the old "my martial art is better than yours" argument, but you have NO RIGHT to come here and criticize, and to suggest another martial art. These guys are good, Aikido is beautiful AND effective, this is real stuff. See how nage exerts the right amount of momentum at the right instant nage seems to be coming down on him. He also explains things like my 80 year old Japanese sensei.
Well said! Skeptic questions comes from people that firstly don't practice then eventually thinks of Aikido like the ultimate martial art (that, in my opinion, doesn't exist at all, even combined with others) that must be demolished from something better or just don't (or won't) understand the religious roots where all was inspired from. We have just a total defensive code so, logically, who attacks always put him/herself in the worst position. Our mistakes comes when we provoke a fight (which is the end of our own sense). I'm even physically, not genetically designed to be like "the Hulk" so what we do in this case? Using the energy itself of who we are facing, deflecting the strength not clashing against. We can broke our wrists even if we try to block a punch so, against a knife is logically impossible to block (well, Iron Man suits not still available, though lol).
The Ueshiba's philosophy says: being strong like a diamond (as endurance, stamina that comes from a good budo training); flexible like the willow (open minded and never negative shaped, adaptive as receiving hits); fluid like the water (it seems that all the Bruce Lee fans love that but it comes before him and everyone of us needs almost an entire life to understand this concept) and empty like the space (this aspect, again, needs time and is all about the technique, the footwork and overall experiences that doesn't end with a black belt anyway).
never heard of it. on today's streets it's just a knife attack. coming from various angles.
but this sa'kage here wants to know about prison rush attacks . which you will only see in prison and hear of in there you don't hear of it anywhere else
this video doesn't say HOW TO DEFEND YOURSELF AGAINST A PRISON ATTACK DOES IT NO ?
stop watching reruns of prison drama OZ to
shaw shank redemption ( kids) and wake up
if you want to know what prison knife attacks would look like then get yourselves locked up
this is called HOW TO DO TANTO DORI
it's got nothing to do with prison attacks ?
No meio urbano, vc não estará treinando em um Dojo. Sei de fatos, sobre pessoas com conhecimento do assunto, que foram cortadas quando por ocasião de um assalto. mesmo que vc seja um expert, poderá sair machucado em um situação real.
Dude, how would you feel if you injured or killed your sensei in class? Of course you´d never do that. Now have your sense give a sword to a real and aggressive stranger and see how that works It is stupid show-off stuff like your sensei does that gives Aikido a bad name.
I am not trashing Aikido. I love it for what it is.
It is people posting exaggerated hype who are trashing Aikido. And that you are a beginner does not exactly help.
Again: Enjoy your white belt class, and spare us the hype. And read messages before attacking other posters. Thank you.
You should read messages before replying to them. I do not "hate" Aikido. As I said before, I like it. I just don´t like the hyped-up false claims made about it, like the one posted by you.
Again: Why don´t you just enjoy your white-belt class, and spare us the hype? And read messages before replying to them. Thank you.
I know about Jo. But practising Kumi-jo, Jo-kata, and Jo-tori in an Aikido class (which I enjoy too) is a world away from "fighting knifes, sticks, bats and pool cues" in real life, as you claimed you do on a regular basis.
Why don´t you just enjoy your Aikido white belt class and spare us the hype? Thank you.
I agree. But still, why no train this? It is good exercise, and good for body control. In real life of course, grabbing a chair if possible or running is a much better option than trying to play Aikido hero.
He's just not applying the techniques at his fullest speed and power , I've seen an Aikido master in real life and they can do very well against white weapons(knifes , machetes and swords) and he can break the attackers arms in the process .
First thing taught on every martial art designed for self-defence, like Aikido, is to run if an enemy has a weapon. If you can't run, or you're protecting other people, then you use one of the learned techniques appropriate to the situation.
i would say if somebody attacks you with a knife like this uke did (1 stab, middle speed) these techniques might work. if somebody attacks you with multiple stabs, cutting, flailing and with wild movements there is not much you can do. in either case i would rather run, because against a knife "might work" is not good enouth.
Modern usages of Martial Arts (exceptions being Krav Maga or similar military arts) are generally not for self-defense. They are trained for discipline, competition, or fitness. The fact that they are still Martial Arts (war arts) simply means that the techniques can be applied to self defense.
If you're looking for how to win fights realistically I can teach you how in just this message: 1. get a gun or some other concealed weapon, and use it. If it didn't work, move on to one of the next steps. 2. kick the opponent in the balls 3. stick your fingers in his eyes 4. throw sand, dirt or gravel at his face. 5. leg it (works 9 out of 10 times)
You don't need martial arts for personal protection, seriously.
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